Sandy Booysen [00:00:00]:
They do desire to be successful in their day, but they don't necessarily have the skills to do so. When it comes to our senses, neurodivergence are typically avoidant. I'm not going to try that toasted sandwich because it looks weird. I'm not going there. One of the tools that I use is called a mealtime toolkit and it's filled with gadgets and novelty items and strategies that one can use to not avoid it. Let's problem solve it.
Sharon Collon [00:00:34]:
Welcome to the ADHD Families Podcast. I'm your host Sharon Collin, an award winning credentialed ADHD coach and consultant and mama and wife to a very ADHD family. I am seriously obsessed with making life easier for people with ADHD and those that support them. My business, the Functional Family, provides life changing support and strategies for adhd. I particularly love anything that saves time, decreases conflict and creates space for fun. Do you want a life with your beautiful family that is more functional, fun and full of joy? Let's explore together the wonderful and sometimes wacky world of family life with ADHD in the mix. When you became a parent, did you have this idea that at a certain age you would all sit around, your family would all sit around a dining table and everyone would eat together and it would be this beautiful, harmonious, relaxing experience. And you know, you would, over a beautiful leisurely meal, discuss your day and laugh casually at an insightful comment and it would be this beautiful, uniting experience.
Sharon Collon [00:01:50]:
But instead what you actually have is kids that have sensory food issues. Perhaps an AFA diagnosis has been thrown in there. Mealtimes have become a battleground. Your body's tensing before you even put the food in front of them. I know from talking to a lot of you that a lot of you are experiencing extreme pressure points when it comes to food and there's lots of reasons why that is. And I wanted to bring in someone who is experienced in this area to be able to give us some practical tools and how we can support our gorgeous families. So I've bought in the incredible Sandy Burson. Now she is a dietitian and she helps people with neurodivergence and families with neurodivergence finding find sustainable and manageable ways to adjust diet, food relationships and meal time behaviors.
Sharon Collon [00:02:50]:
She's come inside the ADHD family's membership and presented on this and I know that she is a gun at this. She's got neurodivergent kids herself that lived experience and the qualifications to back this up. She specializes in ARFID and Pediatric feeding disorders and all of the things that we need to know. In this podcast, we are discussing those things plus what to do if your child is underweight. How much does sugar, sugar play a role in our children's behavior. How regulation is vitally important when it comes to sitting at the table. I can't wait for you to hear what Sandy has to say in this discussion. Let's get to it.
Sharon Collon [00:03:34]:
Welcome Sandy. I am so excited for our chat today.
Sandy Booysen [00:03:38]:
Oh, thank you so much for having me today, Sharon. I'm very excited too. This is my passion and yeah, it's great to be here.
Sharon Collon [00:03:48]:
Our audience is going to get so much value from this discussion today. Now you're one of our beautiful experts that has come inside the ADHD Families membership and advised us on nutrition for our kids and ARFID and all of the sensory profiles. I know how good and how good you are and how much knowledge you have to share with our beautiful listeners. So I can't wait to get stuck in. But before we do, can you tell us a little bit about you, what it is that you do and why you do it?
Sandy Booysen [00:04:18]:
Thanks, Sharon. Well, where do I start? Hey. I have almost 15 years experience and I found right in the beginning and very early on I found that the traditional medical model of treatment was just not suiting and wasn't applicable to everyone that came along for nutritional guidance and, and counseling. And I found that some individuals were struggling without the box problems. The textbook fails a certain group of people. And I started to dig a little bit deeper and explore that. And the irony, then the biggest irony of life happened. I entered parenthood and I all of a sudden found out the textbook didn't work for my family either.
Sandy Booysen [00:05:09]:
And you know, I was so excited to start feeding my family, introducing solids to my firstborn and the gagging started and the food refusal started, you know, early on and we struggled with breastfeeding, weaning, and it was so hard. And looking back now, understanding that we're a neurodivergent family and I love that Neurodivergence and looking at a strength based approach and being neuroaffirming is becoming more acceptable and more widespread and that's where I am, that's where I'm passionate. I feel having a lived experience with neurodivergence, bringing up a neurodivergent family places me in a position where I'm able to understand and really support other individuals where they are and what exactly they need. So yeah, that's then. Now I've launched my own business. It's called Sensible Nutrition. And we're launching a sister company called Sensible Health Hub next month, which I'm very excited about. And the whole idea is to really marry that idea of education.
Sandy Booysen [00:06:30]:
Traditional medical model, prescriptive. Here's a diet plan. But that's not enough. The amount of patients that come to me and say, well, I know what I should be doing, but I just can't. And I go, yes, that's because education's not enough. A prescriptive diet, a list of preferred foods that would be nutritious is not enough. We need to pair that together with motivation and really tapping into various forms of motivation and then that ongoing support as well. We're not islands, we're not robots, we're humans.
Sandy Booysen [00:07:09]:
And we do better when we're together. So tapping into that as well. And that's then where I work from.
Sharon Collon [00:07:17]:
Love that so much. Now we know that nutrition is an emotive topic for a lot of our listeners. Right. There is nothing more disheartening than the amount of effort parents go to to support their kids to have beautiful, well rounded diets. But then, you know, like, it feels like we're just getting mixed messages from, you know, what's best. And then we also have kids that, you know, are not appreciating our efforts. This is a very unappreciated area. So tell me a little bit about how people present to you.
Sharon Collon [00:07:50]:
What do they come to you for?
Sandy Booysen [00:07:53]:
Yeah, so. So typically when I work with neurodivergent families, I like to start off with just seeing the parents because often this is. It's incredibly emotional. Emotional for the whole family, emotional for the child that that is possibly in the midst of this, trying to discover their own food thing, trying to sort it out in their own world. And so we sit down and parents typically say, I say, well, what are your goals? How can I help you? And they say, well, we want to improve my child's nutrition. You know, we feel he's not eating enough healthy food and we worried he's not growing or she's not growing, they're not growing. So those are huge, very valid concerns as a parent. And straight off the bat, I think it's so important to remember, especially in these cases when we're dealing outside the box, your success as a parent is not defined by what your child eats.
Sandy Booysen [00:08:53]:
Number one priority. And when we take that personal aspect as a parent out of it, we are not failing as a parent because our child doesn't eat a wide variety of foods. We are actually being successful by seeking out help, seeking out support, seeking out another way of doing things from a different perspective. So that would be where we normally start off.
Sharon Collon [00:09:19]:
Love that. So now let's go to a question that I know a lot of our community has. Let's talk about arfid. Can you tell our listeners what that is?
Sandy Booysen [00:09:31]:
Definitely. So ARFID is a relatively new medical diagnosis. It's formally been recognized since 2013, so that's only about 10 years. And what is ARFID exactly? It stands for Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder. It's a mouthful. What the whole purpose of creating of it as a medical diagnosis is is to differentiate between anorexia and your well known eating disorders. And this other new. They've discovered in the medical world that there's this other group, but they don't have body image issues.
Sandy Booysen [00:10:15]:
It's not that they're trying to restrict their intake to lose weight or to be a specific shape. There's not necessarily binging and purging either, which would be more of a bulimic type of classification. And so ARFID was born and it's a psychiatric condition. It's a formal eating disorder, just like anorexia or bulimia. But it's characterized by a feeding disturbance which could be a disinterest in food or a avoidance of food based experiences completely or. And a real concern or anxiety related to the consequences of eating. If I eat I'm going to get a sore tummy. If I eat I might choke and die.
Sandy Booysen [00:11:03]:
So we need to understand that this condition, this diagnosis is not one that we throw around lightly. This is quite an extreme condition. And this is where we also see the individual is struggling to maintain an appropriate weight and nutritional status. They have significant nutritional deficiencies. And so it's really important that we understand it is quite a significant diagnosis. It's a medical condition and is given to someone whose symptoms cannot be otherwise described by something else. For for example, we know that neurodivergent struggle with food in general due to sensory sensitivities, needful consistency and sameness. ARFID takes it a bit further and it's really that fear, a really heightened fear of eating and what's going to happen after eating.
Sandy Booysen [00:12:04]:
So it's. Yeah, it's not something we use lightly and I think often we get confused when we say, oh, offered must be offered. There is another condition. First off, Sharon, I must just say I hate talking about medical conditions. Like I just say I feel like the medical model does fail us sometimes. What I do prefer to refer to in these situations is food related struggles. Okay. We can put labels on things because for medical purposes, for referral purposes, for insurance purposes, we do need labels sometimes.
Sandy Booysen [00:12:45]:
But what I do refer to usually as just food related challenges. But what we also have on the other side for our children and it can move into adulthood, is something called pediatric feeding disorder. Now this diagnosis, this medical condition is even younger than Alfred. And this one only came out and formalized in 2020. So this is really new. And this is something that's, that's hitting the pediatric world by storm because we needed to identify that there was this group of individuals, normal children, childlike behavior is picky eating. But as parents of neurodivergence, or if you're, you're listening to this because you really struggling with food related behavior at home, you could acknowledge my child's a little bit different to a standard picky eater. And that's where we move into pediatric feeding disorder territory.
Sandy Booysen [00:13:44]:
And pediatric feeding disorder. The stats show that it's expected. One out of every 37 children struggle with pediatric feeding disorder. It's when food related behavior, eating and engaging with food is not age appropriate. That could be due to medical conditions. It could, if we think of severe reflux, it would cause a child to experience pain during eating. That could cause them to be avoidant. Often would happen when they have extreme fear of getting pain when eating.
Sandy Booysen [00:14:23]:
Can you hear that? Very slight differentiation, but it really does make a big difference when we start to look at how do we manage these situations. Pediatric feeding disorder is when you aren't meeting nutritional goals. The child is growth faltering, but it's due to either an underlying medical, nutritional or oral motor feeding challenge. And so this could include sensory sensitivities. So for a lot of parents that are listening to this going, I wonder if my child has offered or not. Not forget about our newest little friend in the field and his name's pediatric feeding disorder. And it is something to explore. You know, if it's something that you.
Sharon Collon [00:15:12]:
Are concerned about, such a great distinction there. Because ARFID is like the new kid on the block. Everyone's talking about it, but maybe we are jumping to the extreme. So tell us a little bit about how you would work with families to help them, number one, discover what it is, but also how you would help them to support their kids as they go through this.
Sandy Booysen [00:15:40]:
Yeah, this is the golden question. Hey. And so I think first things first is acknowledging that as a parent, this is hard, this is challenging. It's okay to acknowledge that and it's okay to understand that this is going to take time and it's nothing that you did, this is no one's fault. These things do happen. The causes of these conditions are very complex and lots of different factors that play into them. So it's not your fault as a parent that you're now struggling with these conditions. And just as on a personal note, I have three children.
Sandy Booysen [00:16:26]:
Two of them are neurodivergent. I have an ADHD son and an ADHD son and my third child is daughter and she presents with no sensory sensitivities. She will choose to eat avocados and olives for breakfast. And it's been such a validating experience as a parent when feeding your child has been an ongoing struggle and so hard and it looks so different to your neighbours or the next child. But acknowledging that it's nothing that you did as a parent. If you use me as an example, my three children were all brought up in the same household and have presented so differently when it comes to food. So when we walk into this, we know that this is a marathon, not a sprint. We're in this for the long haul.
Sandy Booysen [00:17:20]:
Even something like pediatric feeding disorder, which has the word pediatric in it, you think that's only for children? This can be an ongoing struggle for people. But the reason that the word pediatric is in there because the root causes happened in childhood. So this can be a long road and we potentially need to look at adjusting our expectations and success might look a little bit different. So this is where I've designed my model for success and my roadmap to success. After years of understanding that this needs a different approach, parents are coming in. Overwhelmed adults struggling with food are coming in with long standing histories of cycles of failure and attempts to change change their eating patterns. What's amazing and how I mentioned neurodivergence and our understanding of our brains has improved so much. But if you're sitting right now as an adult dealing with these things with your children, you might be able to acknowledge that, my goodness, food is hard for me too.
Sandy Booysen [00:18:30]:
The way that I've engaged with food and the way my relationship with food isn't, we're not friends or it's not so healthy and this applies to those individuals as well. And so what I've come up with is my sensible nutrition. Six steps to improving food related behavior Refer to only challenges and desirable and undesirable behavior. We don't put labels on things. We don't put, you know, conditions. Let's focus on the strengths of the individual, and let's focus on the individual challenges that we can target one at a time. And so when it comes to practically what do we do? The overwhelm. Where do I start? I say to parents and adults struggling with their own challenges, we don't need to try harder.
Sandy Booysen [00:19:22]:
You've tried hard. You've tried hard for so long. We need to try smarter. And that's where we come in. We need to cut that over. Well, we go step by step marathons, you know, one foot in front of another. And the first step is identifying the problem. We need to fully define that problem.
Sandy Booysen [00:19:42]:
When a parent comes in and they say, oh, my child just doesn't want to eat and it's just a big mess and he avoids and he's got a limited food range, we dig a bit deeper. We see this child struggling with chronic constipation. Wow, okay, well, what causes the constipation? No, well, I'm not sure. He takes osmolax every day and we just get on with it. And I'm going, no, we've got to dig deeper here because we know that behaviors, and specifically food related behaviors in children are symptoms. They're not causes. We're not treating the behavior. We need to go deeper.
Sandy Booysen [00:20:17]:
And so I sit for an hour and a half with parents nutting out each thing we need to know, is that constipation affecting that child's appetite? Because if it is, we know that he's not going to be inclined to engage with food. We need to look at what's causing that constipation. Is it a sensory factor? Is it interoception? Is he aware he needs to go? Is he withholding because school is toilets are weird or smelly? Or is it a food chemical sensitivity? Is his gut reacting to foods? Because if it is, this might give us another clue to realize that he's actually maybe feeling uncomfortable or indigestion. Indigestion is a huge word for children. They don't know what that means. All they know is they don't feel like eating that thing that you put in front of them right now because they feel yuck. And we need to nut out what that yuck is. So our first step would really be trying to pinpoint all of that.
Sandy Booysen [00:21:17]:
The next step is then really trying to identify those triggers. For example, is it the food chemical sensitivity? Now a lot of parents come in saying, is it the food? The food he's eating is affecting his mood, his diet? Absolutely, 100%, Sharon. I have no doubt that if we went back a hundred years, let our children out in pastures, in the fields to run around and play, and fed them three healthy meals, yes, their symptoms would be less. But at the same time, we sometimes need to acknowledge that depending on where the child is in their journey with this food thing, this weird thing, this difficult thing, possibly that one isn't one of our main targets. When we go into strategizing, where do we start? If your child only eats sugar, shapes, jumpies and tiny teddies, we're not about to start nutting out his food chemical sensitivities. We're going to start with some of those sensory sensitivities, some of that need to control a little bit of the autonomy a lot of those things. And we do need to acknowledge that in genetically predisposed individuals, nutrition can play a huge role 100%. Doesn't mean that that's where we start.
Sandy Booysen [00:22:42]:
And so that's why it's so important to go through our steps. When parent says, I want to cut out dairy and gluten, I know it's affecting him. Yep, we got to cut out the dairy and gluten. All of a sudden you're dealing with a very grumpy child because he's not eating anything. Pediatrician says he's growth faltering, we're going to take him off Ritalin. And then all of a sudden the teacher's complaining because they're not getting the results that they want from the child or the child's affecting the classroom. Cutting out dairy and gluten may be an awesome end goal, but not necessarily our starting point. That's when we move on to goal setting.
Sandy Booysen [00:23:16]:
What is your expectation as a parent? Do you know what you want this food thing in your household to even look like? Did you have this preconceived idea going into parenthood that you were all going to sit around the table together, together talking about your day, who you played with in the playground, you know, what two plus two is and how we learn about multiplication. Or can we acknowledge that we need to adjust that expectation slightly? Dinner might look like. I'll give you an example. In my house, the floor is lava and jumping from scatter cushion to scatter cushion back to the table, taking a bite. Because my child wasn't left to roam in the pastures all day. He had to sit at a desk all day. And I know that dinner time is difficult for him. So we need to adjust those goals, set some long term goals where we want to get to some short term goals.
Sandy Booysen [00:24:14]:
And then that really helps to cut the emotion, really cut down on those intense feelings of failure because you've actually adjusted what you're going for. You've realized that this is going to look different or maybe this is what it's going to look like, but it's not going to look like that right now. And then once we've rallied up your support, you found your tribe, possibly the friend that you had or the grandparent that's saying this is not how we did it in our day. That's possibly not your tribe, possibly not the people that you're going to rely on for support as you go through this marathon journey. They're good people, they love you, they're there for you, but they possibly aren't able to validate and support you in this area of your life. So we're going to rally those people and then, Sharon, then we can actually start talking about what, what we going to do and what's going to happen next.
Sharon Collon [00:25:19]:
So I've got so many questions from what you just said. So firstly, can you tell me how important is regulation for food sensitivities?
Sandy Booysen [00:25:30]:
Oh, such a good question, Sharon. And if your listeners have had a chance to do the webinar that I shared with your community recently. For me, when it comes to determining, step two is determining triggers. And part of that is identifying regulation needs. Because our sensory regulation is critical to improving food related behavior. There's an estimate. It's difficult to assess in terms of hardcore evidence and research, but it's estimated that somewhere between 70 to 80% of undesirable food related behavior in children is attributed to sensory challenges. 70 to 80%.
Sandy Booysen [00:26:24]:
So yes, those foods that you're feeding them, the jumpies, the shapes, they are definitely contributing to some of their behaviors. But we know when they come to the table, about 80% of that is that bouncing around, that whining, that avoidance, that refusal, that's to do with their sensory profile and how they're engaging with food. Food is one of the most sensory, all encompassing experiences that we can engage with as humans. It encompasses all eight of our senses, our hidden ones on the inside, our internal ones, our external ones. And for a child that is either sensitive and sensory avoiding or sensory seeking, that's going to have a huge effect on how they relate to food. So it's really important that we know. For example, I mentioned the floor is lava around the dinner table. I understand that in that moment my child possibly is needing more proprioceptive input.
Sandy Booysen [00:27:30]:
He's needing to bounce and jump to feel comfortable. There's more chance of him being able to cope with the smell of the broccoli on the table, which is overpowering for him if I allow him to have some deep pressure to jump from cushion to cushion, play with a fidget ball, or have a kick band on his chair. And so when we move into the strategy phase, depending on where we are and the triggers that we've identified, One of the first strategies is looking at problem solving skills. Our children will always do well if they can that 80% sensory sensitivity. When that child comes to the table and whines, they don't want to whine. They're not choosing to whine. They haven't woken up in the morning saying, I'm going to refuse my breakfast this morning because I want to be grumpy and hungry when I go to school. No, they do desire to be successful in their day, but they don't necessarily have the skills to do so.
Sandy Booysen [00:28:45]:
When it comes to our senses, neurodivergents are typically avoidant. Oh, it's too bright outside. I'm just going to stay inside. I'm not going to try that toasted sandwich because it looks weird. I'm not going there. So one of the tools that I use is called a mealtime toolkit, and it's filled with gadgets and novelty items and strategies that one can use to not avoid it. Let's problem solve it and support the children to identify. Wow, that broccoli really stinks.
Sandy Booysen [00:29:26]:
What could we do? Let's open up our toolkit. Do we have a little handheld USB fan? Ha ha ha. Let's blow that stinky smell away. Within a few seconds. They're having so much fun with the USB fan, and all of a sudden they're fanning their own face. They forgot. Forgotten about the smell of the broccoli. Hang on.
Sandy Booysen [00:29:45]:
They're not sitting at the table. They're actually coping with visually accepting the broccoli and smelling it. And that's the first step then. So definitely your question, Sharon, was sensory regulation and sensory integration and how it relates to food. And it's typically one of our starting points.
Sharon Collon [00:30:04]:
Love that. Now can you tell me, because I know that there would be a parent listening to this going, my child is underweight. We are. The pediatrician is talking about stopping medication. I can't get them to put weight on. Do you have any tips on how we can get our children to put weight on?
Sandy Booysen [00:30:23]:
Yeah, first thing, don't tell them they need to put weight on. Number one, I Think especially in some of our children there can be a hint of defiant behaviour. But number two as well, there is such a high incidence of eating disorders and disordered eating patterns in children and adults that are neurodivergent. The last thing we want to do is highlight in our young child, our impressionable child, a child that is figuring out their world, that weight and our body size is important. This is primary. We do not say you're looking skinny today, I think you need to eat some more. You say no, no, no. We say, how is that tummy feeling? I know that medication is takes your appetite away.
Sandy Booysen [00:31:14]:
Takes my appetite away too. How could we manage this? Because we know we want to grow up to be big and strong adults just like daddy, grandpa, uncle so and so. How could we do that? Together we come alongside the child and we help them problem solve. Because ultimately that child that is now is struggling with weight gain, is at a high risk of developing binge eating disorders, overweightness from sensory seeking, oral behavior of compulsive eating, things like that. And we want to teach them and equip them with the skills to manage it on their own. Understanding that typically children do start Ritalin from the age of somewhere between 7 and 9. So they are in a slightly better cognitive development stage to start to deal with some of these tool skills developments. But if we are dealing with significant weight loss and growth faltering, we do need to address that, not intentionally in front of the child, but we may need to adjust some of our eating behaviors and strategies.
Sandy Booysen [00:32:29]:
For example, something like first breakfast, second breakfast medication kicks in school's hard snack straight after school. It may look like something that does have a lot of energy in it. I like to refer to as quick energy foods because we know we wanting to get lots of energy in in a short period of time. You probably got about four hours after school before bed. You're needing to do catch up feeding. So we're needing to provide frequent feeding opportunities which might be outside of what the Textbook recommends of 2.5 to 3 hours between feedings. You know, in my case sometimes I find I do hourly feedings for my son between 4 and 8. And knowing that he can only cope with small amounts because it is overwhelming for his senses and for his sensitive gut because of indigestion, I'm needing to provide very small, frequent opportunities for him to eat.
Sandy Booysen [00:33:24]:
And that might mean that my long term goals need to be put on hold. Another factor that needs to be considered is parents get concerned that providing a bedtime snack or Frequent feedings for, you know, catch up feedings after school might create bad habits for the child for the future. Yes. But right now we have a critical situation where we are needing to increase energy consumption and that looks like frequent feedings. Right now we'll have to take the step by step and we will have to adjust habits and behaviors later. But we're going to work on skill development right now, so that becomes easier.
Sharon Collon [00:34:09]:
Amazing. Thank you so much. Now the other one that is, I know people would be asking about is sugar. Can you tell us a little bit about sugar?
Sandy Booysen [00:34:19]:
Definitely. So like I've already mentioned, there is a very strong link between the food that you eat and some of your neurological symptoms or behaviors. Typically increased impulsivity, inattention and hyperactivity. Often parents will come in and say, it's sugar. My child goes to a birthday party and they bounce off the walls. Now what they think they're referring to is sucrose. That would be our table sugar typically added to foods like cakes and party foods. But what we need to dig a little bit deeper and go, well, what color was the sugary icing that was on that cake your child had at the party? It was bright blue or it was bright yellow.
Sandy Booysen [00:35:03]:
It was a minions cake. That bright yellow probably tickled your child's brain more than the sucrose. The sucrose came and went quite quickly. There is evidence and we know that sugar can drop dopamine levels. A bit of a complex chemical interaction there. But I would say our major trigger point at the birthday party is not necessarily the sucrose that's been added to foods, but rather the other additional chemicals that have been added. Food chemicals, preservatives, additives, flavor enhancers of your shapes and your colorants and things like that. That what I like to refer to is it, it tickles the nervous system.
Sandy Booysen [00:35:46]:
It just. Yep, it tickles those. And that's then where we start to identify when we really identify those major food chemical triggers. And once we know the triggers, we can decide what we're going to do with them.
Sharon Collon [00:35:59]:
Amazing. So if you were going to leave our beautiful listeners with a couple, maybe two or three things that they could try at home or things that you would recommend, what would those be for the listeners?
Sandy Booysen [00:36:13]:
That's great. Yeah. So number one, acknowledge that this food thing is going to look different. Be patient, remove the emotion. If you can remove emotion from food related engagements in your household, you're 20 steps ahead already just with that. Step two is try to be a good detective and acknowledge and start to piece together those trigger points. Ah, my child went to the party and I saw the next day there was an adjustment in behavior, work back. Did he have a late night after the party? Was it sleep? What color was the cake? What other foods did he eat? Was there social pressure? So let's work as detectives before we start just slapping on intervention strategies.
Sandy Booysen [00:37:04]:
And number three, be kind to yourself as a parent. This is hard. And work on what's going to fill your cup first because when your cup is full you are going to be able to remove the emotion quicker and have more clarity of mind, more mindfulness, more peacefulness to sit down and be more intentional about identifying triggers and strategies that are going to work.
Sharon Collon [00:37:31]:
Thank you so much for your time today, Sandy. You have given and shared so much gold and you know I love the work that you do. I remember seeing you speak about this and going, yes, I have to contact that lady because I think she's going to help so many incredible families that are struggling with this and it's a big topic. It's a tough one to tackle because there's no quick fix for this stuff. It's a real shame because, you know, I'm sure it's, it's one of those things that stresses a lot of families out but you have a nice way of making it approachable, a non pressure approach and also breaking it down for families. They can take those steps that they need to take without being overwhelmed. So thank you so much for your time.
Sandy Booysen [00:38:16]:
It's my pleasure. Well, if anyone would like to get in touch with me as well. At the moment I am in the stage of launching my new website and my new sister company. So the best place to find me at the moment would be on Facebook, sensiblenutrition and watch this space. Big things are coming and I'm so excited to work with your community and get engaged with the neurodivergent families and work together with them.
Sharon Collon [00:38:45]:
Now I'm going to put a link to all of that in the show notes. I'm sure by the time this airs your website will be live and what I will do is I'll put a link to all of that and please know that if you're listening to this and thinking, oh, I need some support from someone who has this interest and this, these expertise in this area that Sandy does do telehealth appointments. So it's great and accessible for you to get support.
Sandy Booysen [00:39:14]:
Yeah, definitely. It's fantastic. Thank you so much Sharon.
Sharon Collon [00:39:17]:
Thanks Sandy. Thank you for listening to this episode of the ADHD Families Podcast. If you loved it, please share it on your socials. I want this to start a conversation about adhd. If you want to make this mum do a little happy dance, please leave a review on itunes. If you would like to know more about what we do, check out thefunctionalfamily.com I truly hope that you enjoyed this podcast and you use it to create a wonderful, effective, joyful life with your beautiful children.
