sharon_collon:
Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode of the ADHD & Families' podcast Today, I have the amazing Christina People. Christina is a neurodivergent consultant who delivers seminars to parents, cares and professionals. She supports families, schools and businesses around Australia and the world in practical research, back research, back trauma in form, strategies, development and implementation, collaboration and training, Christina develops practical resources and programs to be implemented in Cools businesses, and at home to support autistic and d. H. D. individuals. welcome to Christina.
christina_keeble:
Thank you. thanks, Sharon. thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.
sharon_collon:
I am so excited for you to be on the podcast. I actually got connected with you through an amazing client of both of ours, and I was so excited to see your website and see all the amazing work that you're doing in this area.
christina_keeble:
Thank you. Yeah, it's I love connecting and collaborating and saying.
sharon_collon:
They
christina_keeble:
I explored
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might.
christina_keeble:
your website and found Yea. I was like. Why haven't I found her sooner?
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
So I'm glad we finally connected.
sharon_collon:
It's wonderful. Now tell me, I'd love to hear a little bit about you and your story,
christina_keeble:
Okay, so my story? I always say It's kind of. I'm lucky that my story's kind of come full circle. I am originally from the Us. I've been in Australia This year's
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Her
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nineteen
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man.
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years, and when just before I came to Australia, I had finished my unique degree and I had actually started
sharon_collon:
Start
christina_keeble:
volunteering and then ended up teaching at an early childhood reversing Clusion pre school, And that was the first time that I'd been around
sharon_collon:
Around.
christina_keeble:
autistic student and students with disabilities, and I just fell in love with it. I was, you know, my original degree with psychology, and when I came to Australia,
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
I was kind of making. I had to make a choice. I could either continue to become a psychologist, which had been the original plan, or become a teacher and I did
sharon_collon:
I did
christina_keeble:
end up doing my post grad here in Austral. You're becoming a teacher and working in different specialist settings in New South Wales and in Victoria, And
sharon_collon:
And
christina_keeble:
just just loved. It was really. It was always really fulfilling. And then
sharon_collon:
And then
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I ended
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I ended
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up
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up
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meeting my amazing husband. We had our two beautiful kids. At that time I wasn't I had actually left the class room. I was lucky enough to be a full time stay at home, Om, and We all know
sharon_collon:
All
christina_keeble:
kids change us right so, and it's true nobody can prepare you for that, but I realize I didn't realize at the time, but I was struggling more than I'd
sharon_collon:
I
christina_keeble:
expected and as time went on, the needs
sharon_collon:
The
christina_keeble:
of my children, you know
sharon_collon:
You know
christina_keeble:
I had nothing to compare it to, But we're quite intense and I was neglecting myself in the process because that's what we do. We give everything to our children Because they need us and
sharon_collon:
And
christina_keeble:
Dan Track. My kids got diagnosed, so my kids artistic and H. D. they're actually both Pdars as well, but through that process it led me to my divergence, so I got diagnosed after my kids, so I
sharon_collon:
I
christina_keeble:
got diagnosed as autistic and H D at thirty seven, and
sharon_collon:
And
christina_keeble:
it was
sharon_collon:
it was
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life
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like
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changing in a positive way, so
sharon_collon:
Or
christina_keeble:
it's I'm lucky that it was a such a positive experienc. For me, My family had at that point been in crisis for a good three or four years, and thankfully, the diagnosis and then subsequent medication. so I took it, He events for the first time at thirty eight, again amazing positive experience. and that's what allowed me to start to be able to make the changes my family needed so we could get out of crisis. Because of the complexity of our family, we had many, lovely, lovely welling attention Therapist, Um, and people trying to support
sharon_collon:
We
christina_keeble:
us, but nobody knew what we needed, so because I did have a background in working with with kids and divergent kids, It each day and artistic and everything everything they were suggesting was. I guess the stuff I already knew, Um, and
sharon_collon:
And
christina_keeble:
it wasn't
sharon_collon:
it wasn't
christina_keeble:
working anyway, but I was like I kind of need the next stuff and they're like, I don't. really. I don't know you. You guys are a tricky family. They end up discharging us because there was No one who could support us, Which is then what led me to start to research. You know, on my own once my mental health was in a better place than and I wasn't just you know, surviving, so to speak, And yeah,
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
that led me to learn about Pa. It led me to to learn about relationship based ways, parenting which were
sharon_collon:
We
christina_keeble:
at. It's with the way I've been parenting, which had been very behavior, is based based on all the training I've ever done. Un and everything. And yeah, it's really been just a really amazing journey. That it's not. It hasn't all been easy and we still
sharon_collon:
still
christina_keeble:
have. massively. you know, tricky days and weeks and months. It kind of seems to go in cycles. but but we have a better understanding and we have an idea of where we're going and you know my husband and I are on the same page. The kids are part of the journey now and it's just yeah, we're in a much better place than what we were. And so my business ended up starting as a hobby to keep my sanity for a
sharon_collon:
For
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while,
sharon_collon:
a while,
christina_keeble:
but as I learned and grew as a as a teacher and everything, my business grew and changed, and now that's why I support professionals, but also
sharon_collon:
So
christina_keeble:
mainly parents and cares and families with tricky families, like my who, Or kind of that where I was a few years ago.
sharon_collon:
Oh my gosh, I love hearing that journey and I think it will resonate a lot with our audience because so many of the moms that I work with they go on to find that they have a diagnosis themselves a little bit
christina_keeble:
Yeah,
sharon_collon:
later. So what you're describing is very common and it can be quite a shock because you know how do you think that you went all those years without being diagnosed? You know where your great Asking, or what were you doing?
christina_keeble:
My husband jokes all the time. He's like How did you go? Was like twenty eight years without knowing me. Mean him because he's
sharon_collon:
He's
christina_keeble:
It's amazing. I'm not perfect, but definitely amazing and helps me and has a lot of the strength that that I don't have, so compensates for the things that I struggle with, and really I've thought about it, and up until so all the way through school and through high school, My mom was really amazing. She was the person who did the things that I needed to be able to function and succeed at school. One of my things that protected me, I think from having trouble at school, as I was classed s academically gifted, and the way
sharon_collon:
We.
christina_keeble:
the structure of education in the eighties and nineties was, I was tracked along with the other gifted kids and my mom's Sir, Does my executive function. She kept everything on track and I just really had to you know, study and do this off. That was her big thing. you know. you have to go to un. um. when I became an adult and I wasn't at home any more. I'd kind of set up my life in a way without realizing it consciously that I had enough down time. I had enough recovery time. I set it up in a way to meet my needs, which, um, like, I need Lot of sleep and rest to recover, and a lot of quiet time, which we know with kids is very, is nearly impossible. But when it was just me and I was teaching like I could teach for that amount of time, and then I'd come home and it was just me. I lived on my own, you know, On the weekends I had again. That was recovery time and it, it just kind of worked. I was. You know, my house was always messy. I suppose I wasn't the tidiest person, but you know I still managed to do the basic Functions because that was all I had. It was just me. Things got more complicated once you know my husband and I got married, and then you know that that dynamic change things, and then when the kids came along, it was Yeah,
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
They really made me start to try and juggle way more balls in the air and I just couldn't do it all on my own
sharon_collon:
So it's so interesting to hear you talk about that. I heard you mentioned before about P. D. A. Now I am certain now you're quite an expert in this area and I am certain that there is
christina_keeble:
Hate.
sharon_collon:
a lot of people listening to this
christina_keeble:
I need the turf expert because no,
sharon_collon:
well, I hear when I, when you search it, you definitely come
christina_keeble:
Oh thank
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up
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you,
sharon_collon:
and I would love to hear what it is because I'm sure that there are people listening that have no idea what it is. You know. It was definitely one Later things that I learned about what is it?
christina_keeble:
Excuse me,
sharon_collon:
And how can we support our beautiful family members that have P. D
christina_keeble:
Yeah, no, thank you. I appreciate the term expert, I will say, though the experts
sharon_collon:
Ye
christina_keeble:
are those who live it, and I will say that Well, both my children are mediators. I'm definitely, I'm pretty pretty sure I'm not one. just based
sharon_collon:
As
christina_keeble:
on you know all the readings and things now saying that Families
sharon_collon:
Family?
christina_keeble:
like mine with P. D kids and the complexities that they bring are generally the ones that I support and going into that. Let's I guess what Pa is. So the technical terminology which I'm not personally a fan, is
sharon_collon:
Yes,
christina_keeble:
pathological demand avoidance. Now, some of the research that is out there and being conducted at the moment will refer to it as extreme demand avoidance, but they will always put in as well, Um, the a way that it's been another, another way to say that that some adult pdars have come up with as a phrase is pervasive drive for autonomy, and as a mum as I've been on this journey and trying to figure out what was going on with my kids. Why was all the stuff that I've been trained, been practiced and you know, been directed to Over and over and over again, even by professionals who were trying to help me at the time. Was it working And why was it making things worse at home and more stressful? and I couldn't work it out, And when I discovered P. d A
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
I was, it was like bull moments. and when I heard about the phrase pervasive drive for autonomy, I was like that. Is it now
sharon_collon:
Now
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what
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what
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P d A is is? it's not
sharon_collon:
not?
christina_keeble:
a diagnosis. And actually, I just presented about these two Psychology confer a psychology conference. I don't think it's actually necessarily helped to become one. So it's not in the d. s. M. It's not in the I, c, D thing, but it's a behavior profile. So and by that, I mean, it's a collection of characteristics that a certain population has in comment, And this is where it's come out of and the research only started in the eighties, so it's still very new, but basically what happens is inde Iduals. With this profile the
sharon_collon:
The
christina_keeble:
they struggle to meet the demands of every day life, and it seems to be fueled by an extreme anxiety or heightened nervous system. Um. And what?
sharon_collon:
What
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what I mean? By what I think
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I
christina_keeble:
about it is always like struggles to meet the demands of every day Life. What? What exactly does that mean? A demand
sharon_collon:
And
christina_keeble:
is just an expectation. So an example of a demand. You know, Go get your shoes because we got to get in the car. That's a direct demand. The demands
sharon_collon:
he demands.
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of every day life are things like that We ask kids to do all the time. Get your shoes, get dressed, eat, brush your teeth. take a shower. You know it's time to go to sleep. I
sharon_collon:
I
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think
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think,
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the more you learn
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Learn
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about it, this stuff like, in my mind, I can understand why kid till want to do that to me. Most kids you know at one
sharon_collon:
once.
christina_keeble:
time or another, Don't want to do all that stuff. It's
sharon_collon:
It's
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really
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really.
christina_keeble:
about the degree to which it presents, But the other thing that I found especially in my own children and in other families is that not
sharon_collon:
I
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only
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do
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does it lead them to not be able to engage in the every day things, but it leads them to not be able to engage in the things that they love and are passionate about, because there's too many demands around it, and as a parent, that's for me as frustrating as it is when the kids don't want to do as Say. The thing that breaks my heart is when they love something, but they actually can't engage with it. They want to. They can't engage with it because of all the demands around it. One of my children, for example, every year we had to make a decision and it wasn't my decision. it was their decision. whether or not they could have a birthday party. They always wanted one. You know, they loved
sharon_collon:
Love
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it, but based on past experiences they realized that They couldn't always tolerate it, And I remember one year you know doing it, they were turning seven. I said, Are you sure that you want to do this? If they didn't? We always did like family experience and still made a special time. They're like. No, I really want to do it. Go to this like rope claiming place or something With friends.
sharon_collon:
It.
christina_keeble:
My husband and I set it up. Got everything going We
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We
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got
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ought
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through the day, but there was a lot of opposition, Ositional or demand, avoidant behavior, a lot of aggression towards us Because us talking to them and everything was putting demands and pressure on them and so really we had to completely back off at the same time trying to keep them safe, And there was swearing and lots of things and lots of looks from other parents who were like. Why is this kid being so ungrateful and that wasn't the case at all Anyway.
sharon_collon:
Way
christina_keeble:
Through the end we avoided any big melt downs. We get home, Husband and I are Austin and I was like. I wonder if that was even pleasant for them tucking them into bed and they said to me, I'm so sorry, Mom, for the way I behave today. I had the best day. Thank you so much. I love you and like
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Like
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I was
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I was
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on the verge of tears, and I said, Don't don't apologize, Because we know that it's not you. That's not you. You're not in control. In these moments, We just wanted you to have a good time and that's great. So these are
sharon_collon:
These.
christina_keeble:
the kind of things that happen in Pa.
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
That is
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that
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just
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is,
christina_keeble:
one example and there's probably so much more I could talk about, but it's it can present as oppositional behavior in my personal unprofessional opinion, I feel that oppositional defiance disorder. I've
sharon_collon:
I
christina_keeble:
always
sharon_collon:
always
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believed that was a rubbish diagnosis That it was to the kids in the two hard basket because he always had all of the acronems and diagnosis. Um. Basically I
sharon_collon:
I.
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see P d a as as a compassionate re frame of o d D when we
sharon_collon:
I,
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look at the kids and they're actually struggling and the actions that they do Because of the level of anxiety and their nervous system, they're not in control, just
sharon_collon:
Just
christina_keeble:
like we're not in control. When a crocodile starts chasing us, our brain goes into fiterflight and takes over. Yeah, so that's
sharon_collon:
That.
christina_keeble:
kind of a short summary.
sharon_collon:
Oh, my gosh, I just like you know, Have that resonated so much with me because I can hear even when you're talking about the birthday party story. we've had very similar experiences in our house as well, and all my kids have been flagged as early and it's never quite. even that label
christina_keeble:
It's never
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has
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fit
sharon_collon:
never quite never quite fit. And yeah, I've Yeah.
christina_keeble:
Now.
sharon_collon:
It's just really
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it's a
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resonates,
christina_keeble:
highly stigma. It's a highly stigmatizing label
sharon_collon:
Noah.
christina_keeble:
coming from a teacher perspective, saying that I tell families all the time. I was like I is going to help with finding Go for it
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M
christina_keeble:
now. As besides that, I don't find it a helpful diagnosis. and when you actually look and understand the things around, Pa, and I've taught So many kids who were able, and the strategies that I was kind of intuitively using with them having to connect with them first. I knew it would be. really. It would take a lot more effort on my part to be able
sharon_collon:
We?
christina_keeble:
to connect with them, so I could kind of develop a relationship as a teacher student. and that had to occur first before I could even think about trying to teach him anything. All of those kind of things Are you know? the P. D A strategies and I really, Yeah,
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
I really do believe that That
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
is a compassionate re frame. looking through this frame of the kid is struggling versus the kids giving us a hard time and not listening to what we say,
sharon_collon:
Now you touched on there that importance of connection. Can you
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M.
sharon_collon:
tell me how?
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M.
sharon_collon:
so? if someone is listening to this podcast and they're thinking all my goodness, I think this is connecting a lot
christina_keeble:
Yeah,
sharon_collon:
of dots for for us, how can we support these beautiful kids or beautiful family members that have P. D. A
christina_keeble:
Yeah, look, there's There's so many things. One I think at the heart of everything is is your relationship to the child bit. You're the teacher or you're the parent or your, the grandparent to your relationship to them,
sharon_collon:
Yah
christina_keeble:
and developing a strong and safe
sharon_collon:
Safe.
christina_keeble:
relationship where they feel safe in your presence is paramount and interestingly so with
sharon_collon:
I
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At the moment, the research says that the child is supposed to be artistic. I've had. I've been
sharon_collon:
Been
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reading
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read,
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and interacted with a lot of families who were like, Oh, my kid's definitely not artistic, but I think their pdaordhd
sharon_collon:
She
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and I think their or my child has the diagnosis reactive attachment disorder, but I think Pa fits. You know that kind of thing, and
sharon_collon:
And
christina_keeble:
for me with the wet with what I do, and definitely, when it was me as a family, it wasn't so much about whether he could take all the right boxes of the crate. Aria, For me, it was. you know what what I've been doing as it worked. So let me learn the strategies. and if the strategy s worked
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work
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when nothing else has well, that's great because we want
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A.
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to support them. and and for us, it was about bringing a bit more peace and enjoyment back into our family. In The connection
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The.
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is the start of that. At the
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the
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same time there's It's a very.
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very
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I don't know paradox. I suppose diagnose
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Oh
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Is where when,
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he
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when
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he
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the child has safe and strong relationship, where they feel really secure in being themselves and they're not masking and pretending you know to get by or do what somebody what they think somebody wants. Especially in the beginning, it can be much more challenging to support them because you are a safe person, so they can authentically be themselves and not try and hide it. And that's why you know. Generally I never send the time, but generally the parents and at home are the ones who see this and the teachers are like. No, they're great. They're the best things in that and it doesn't It's not seem really like Dr. Jeckell, R and Missus Hyde, And I remember just you know, going to the school and being keeping in mind, I am a teacher. that making
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Make
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me feel like I was this over,
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over.
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worried over anxious, paranoid hillacot, Your parent and I'm like, No, you don't understand what happens at home like you, but they're
sharon_collon:
They
christina_keeble:
like. Oh, but we don't see it, so it's fine. I'm like what you do at school is impacting their capacity, which then impacts us at home. So it's there's so much and it's so definitely connecting. Um, When families start, you know, we talk about creating a lower.
sharon_collon:
Lower
christina_keeble:
not not as it completely non exist, But a lower demand environment, which means reduction of expectations in the beginning, especially because the nervous system is so heightened. It's like If this is fighter flight, when we cross over that our brain takes over and is in survival mode. Most pdarsoknow. they're hovering here, like when families are in crisis, So there's like this teeny tiny amount of room, whereas
sharon_collon:
Where
christina_keeble:
other kids may be way down here, So there's lots of room to adapt and adjust and be flexible. So we
sharon_collon:
So
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want
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we
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to
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want
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bring down and support the regulation. Part of that is reducing demands, but you still have to have boundaries, But it's how we do it. You know. it's holding loving boundaries. It's bringing them into. You know, you know, as part of the team and collaborating with them, It's a lot of negotiation. Um, it's us being flexible. It taught me how much of control freak I was instead
sharon_collon:
Instead
christina_keeble:
of like, you know, I could hear my parents to just do it cause I said so Like in my head, I'm just because they genuinely challenge with these amazing insights
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I,
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and I'm like I don't know. Can you just help me An you just do it please. But it's this
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This
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whole,
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hole
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for
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for
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me.
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me.
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It was
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It was
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a one
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a wan.
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eighty in parenting and my husband. My husband is ten years older, had already raised kids. They were adults different generation, and for us, it was a big one eighty for for a lot
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A
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of
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lot
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families,
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of people.
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it's not that drastic, but still
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Oh,
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there's
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here
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this whole shift in how We interact in how we respond.
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on
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It's a big shift, but it starts with Re connecting, earning their trust back, creating safe space environment, having unconditional positive regard. So
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So
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there's
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there's
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unconditional love. We all
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all
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love our children unconditionally and every parent I met has pretty much said I would die for my kids right now. We
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We
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will
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will.
christina_keeble:
do that unconditional positive regard, though is important as well, and that is when N. I guess simply is when we let the kids know that no matter what you do, it could be the worst thing imaginable in their minds or our minds. No matter what you do, that will not impact our relationship. I may not agree with it or condone it, but I got you and I'm here for you no matter what, and that's a really important factor because a lot of the practices the parent Ing practices the behavior Ist based practices are grounded in this Reward in consequence thing. And when that becomes our attention, like if we're only paying attention when they're doing what we want them to do, and things like that, we're not sending that message. I've got your back. No matter what it becomes this, I'll pay attention and you know we'll have a great time when you're behaving the way I want. but once you do, I'm not going to pay attention and I'm going to you know, try and minimize that so that it kind of comes back to that. If that makes sense,
sharon_collon:
Oh, my goodness, you are speaking my language here.
christina_keeble:
Go head.
sharon_collon:
because I definitely that definitely feel that, and we talk a lot in the functional family about that connection And you know trying to talk to you, kid about? We say the saying like there's no mistake
christina_keeble:
Yeah,
sharon_collon:
you can't come back from. like we can figure it
christina_keeble:
exactly
sharon_collon:
out together like we can figure
christina_keeble:
exactly
sharon_collon:
it out. I really love this and I think that having that beautiful connection like when when we're focused on so focused on trying to get Our children to succeed or behave the way we want them to, we're kind of missing, like what they need from us,
christina_keeble:
Yeah,
sharon_collon:
which is like, Is that unconditional support? Really?
christina_keeble:
Exactly
sharon_collon:
Um, yeah, it's just wonderful. Now tell me when you go into because you're a consultant. So you go into schools and you talk in seminars and that sort of stuff like that. What do you talk to people about
christina_keeble:
So yeah. it depends on the environment. I, I also do so with the with the Toka schools and what not? Sometimes it's just to the staff. Sometimes it's to the families and the staff generally that around things such as nor diversity of forming practice topics like P. D, supporting our divergence tudents, so supporting D and autistic. I've done some just on supporting A The students, but always from this our diversity of firming practice model, and from a strength based and relationship based model, I've done trainings for organization disability organizations around how to support our divergent individuals in the strength based relationship based way, Done stuff about autismdhdpd, a M. When the other thing I suppose I do is I do one on one consult With families and I'm not a psychologist and I'm not a counselor. I'm always very clear about that, technically on a teacher, because I'm still registered in everything,
sharon_collon:
Kay?
christina_keeble:
but I do have experience in psychology fields and in research. But what I do is it's I get the background. I hear what's going on. I asked certain questions. That kind of just get a really good picture of now and a little bit of the past. Then we. sometimes it's problem solving. Sometimes It's me giving information and upskilling the parents, psycho education strategy development and looking at things. Sometimes at the moment, I'm visiting people's homes if it's appropriate and we look at the environment. What can we take? Are there things that can make this? Can we maximize and set up our home so it meets the needs of everyone, Because it's you would know, Especially
sharon_collon:
I?
christina_keeble:
with when you have multiple new divergent people in a house. The conflicting Means. It's that classic. What comes? One triggers the other, and vice versa. And how do we all have our safe space Like we all deserve to be able to regulate it. to have our own space, and and things like that. Yeah,
sharon_collon:
Yeah,
christina_keeble:
and then and then a lot of time. So I'm generally a verst of support And you know we'll have some sessions. I might connect them with other resources or other therapists or what? not. and then sometimes people touch back in later. Yeah, so that's that's kind of thetis After they do.
sharon_collon:
Oh, my goodness, I think that's wonderful. Now tell me if people are looking for you, where can
christina_keeble:
Yeah,
sharon_collon:
they find you?
christina_keeble:
So I am on social media, Facebook and Instagram, and linked in. So Christina Keble consulting is Facebook and Instagram and on Linked in its Christina Keble, and my website is Christina Keble Dot com.
sharon_collon:
Amazing. Thank you so much for your time today. I'm sure this, my audience will love
christina_keeble:
Oh,
sharon_collon:
hearing what the important work that you do and
christina_keeble:
Thank
sharon_collon:
hearing
christina_keeble:
you,
sharon_collon:
a little bit about your story. Thank you so much.
christina_keeble:
Thank you, and thanks for inviting me. I appreciate it.
